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A Ketogenic Diet Can Cause A Fatty Liver

We were unable to load Disqus. If you are a moderator please see our troubleshooting guide. 7952 commentsComments Dr.BergCommunity Login Disqus Facebook Twitter Google 1 Recommend Recommended 2608 Discussion Recommended! Recommending means this is a discussion worth sharing. It gets shared to your followers' Disqus feeds, and gives the creator kudos! Find More Discussions Share Share this discussion on Twitter Facebook Sort by Newest Best Newest Oldest Join the discussion… in this conversation ⬇ Drag and drop your images here to upload them. Attach Log in with or sign up with Disqus or pick a name Disqus is a discussion network Disqus never moderates or censors. The rules on this community are its own. Don't be a jerk or do anything illegal. Everything is easier that way. Read full terms and conditions By signing up, you agree to the Disqus Basic Rules, Terms of Service, and Privacy Policy. By posting, you agree to the Disqus Basic Rules, Terms of Service, and Privacy Policy. ma • 6 hours ago Dr. Berg, this is probably about more than you think. Don't worry. Your actions will bring you what you deserve. I live in DC. I know you have been helping many people for many years. I Continue reading >>

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  1. doug684

    Ketosis can cause damage to kidneys and liver

    So I'm about to fire up a keto regiment (again, I always fall off the wagon after about 2 months). Just searching around as it seems the other two times I started it I tend to have diarrhea a lot. Anyway, came across this. Any truth to this?

    When protein is deflected in this manner, it releases nitrogen into the blood stream, placing a burden on the kidneys as they try to excrete excessive urinary water due to sodium loss. When fat is likewise deflected, the breakup releases fatty acids, or ketones, into the bloodstream, further burdening the kidneys. If ketosis continues for long periods of time, serious damage to the liver and kidneys can occur, which is why most low-carbohydrate, or ketogenic diets recommend only short-term use, typically 14 days.
    http://www.holisticonline.com/remedi...nd-ketosis.htm

  2. Eileen

    I don't know where to start.
    Okay, I'll start with the assumption that keto is high protein. No, it's not, it's moderate protein compared with standard BB diets. The dangers of protein to the kidneys would apply far more to a 40/40/20 diet than to a keto one. If they applied. But they don't. People with damaged kidneys can not tolerate high levels of protein. So some "experts" have extrapolated this to mean that high levels of protein can damage healthy kidneys. Except there has not been one single case of this ever, in the history of recorded medicine.
    Most keto diets do not recommend 14 days or less, that's the classic way to do it wrong. Most low carb diets recommend making it a lifestyle.
    And again, where is the evidence that ketones do any damage to liver or kidneys or any other organ? Not a single case. The closest to damage from a low carb diet comes from the odd nutcase who tries to combine keto with no liquid, which does put stress on the kidney (just like any other diet which does not include liquid) but because keto is slightly diuretic, you'll see the effects a little quicker.

  3. doug684

    Originally Posted by Eileen
    The closest to damage from a low carb diet comes from the odd nutcase who tries to combine keto with no liquid, which does put stress on the kidney (just like any other diet which does not include liquid) but because keto is slightly diuretic, you'll see the effects a little quicker.

    There are people who try that? I don't see how. Keto makes me thirsty and will often drink constantly as long as my glass of water is full.

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Ketosis And Fatty Liver

Fatty liver is usually associated with alcohol abuse, but even people who don't drink can develop nonalcoholic fatty liver disease, or NAFLD. NAFLD includes asymptomatic steatosis, meaning simple fatty liver, which can progress to steatohepatitis, meaning inflamed fatty liver. Later, the disease can cause fibrosis, or scarring, and ultimately cirrhosis, which is permanent. Alcoholic fatty liver can only be treated by abstaining from alcohol in the early stages of the disease. But, because NAFLD is likely diet-related, it might be reversible by substantially reducing carbohydrate intake by means of a ketogenic diet. Video of the Day NAFLD is associated with obesity -- especially abdominal, insulin resistance, elevated blood sugar, inflammation and high serum triglycerides. These are all signs of metabolic syndrome, considered the precurser to Type 2 diabetes. When the body cannot use sugar properly, some of it is converted to fat -- triglycerides -- by the liver, where it can accumulate. A 2009 study conducted at the Center for Human Nutrition and Atkins Center of Excellence in Obesity Medicine found that excess liver fat is probably the major culprit behind the health issues often Continue reading >>

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  1. Keto-question

    Does Ketosis harm the liver, or make it work too hard, or is it totally harmless?

  2. simsalabimbam

    Carbohydrate intake (as would be expected in the Standard American Diet) is associated with liver fibrosis and non-alcoholic fatty liver disease.
    Removing carbohydrates from the diet - and therefore following a Very-Low-Carbohydrate-High-FAT (VLCHF) - is associated with a reversal in these pathologies.
    So I suggest strongly that following a ketogenic diet is absolutely one of the best things you can do for your liver.
    http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/96/4/727.full.pdf+html
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23657151
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19575599
    http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/779777_4
    http://jn.nutrition.org/content/138/8/1452

  3. simsalabimbam

    Oh, and this:
    Before diagnosis of Type 2 diabetes, there is a long silent scream from the liver.
    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/dme.12039/full

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Keto: The Best Fatty Liver Diet

Fatty liver disease is exactly what the name suggests – a disease characterized by the build up of fat in the liver. There are two main types of fatty liver disease: Nonalcoholic fatty liver disease Alcoholic fatty liver disease (also called alcoholic steatohepatitis) Both types of fatty liver disease are diagnosed when fat makes up at least 10% of the liver, but the cause of the fat build up is different for each type. The cause of alcoholic fatty liver disease is obvious. The amount of alcohol it takes to cause fatty build up in the liver, however, is not so obvious. The Liver Foundation suggests consuming no more than 14 drinks a week for men and 7 drinks a week for women. Anything more than may cause fat to build up in the liver. The treatment for alcoholic fatty liver disease is simple enough — stop drinking alcohol. Studies confirm that cessation of alcohol consumption can reverse alcoholic fatty liver disease. However, the cause and treatment of nonalcoholic fatty liver disease are not as obvious. This is because many different factors (other than alcohol) can cause fat to build up in the liver. The Truth About Nonalcoholic Fatty Liver Disease Nonalcoholic fatty liver di Continue reading >>

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  1. Shola

    Has anyone ever had liver pains whn getting into ketosis. I was 4 days into ketosis last week and developed a sharp pain in my liver area, i thought it was just a pulled muscle but my doc said it was deeper...my scans showed fatty liver, which i've had since my first pregnancy but everything else seemed clear. i'm fine today(had a cheat with brown bread yest but back on track today) but i'm still wondering if the pain could hav been linked to lowcarbing somehow...?

  2. Elizellen

    The only pain I experienced when starting low carbing was a terrible stomach cramp - which vanished once I had managed to have a bowel movement after a few days of being constipated!!

  3. jaywood

    The most likely pain in the liver area when you switch to high fat is gall bladder pain. You could have had a wee stone that needed to pass which would cause a sharp pain in the same area.
    If it happens again, you can look up Murphy's sign on youtube. It is a crude test but will give an indication of if it is liver / gall balder.
    Obviously if it gets worse, or becomes more constant then head back tot he Doc. :-)

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